Tuesday, 21 September 2010

Update:

I thought you might appreciate an update on my L'Oreal post.
As it seems that many of the make-up brands statements are a little fuzzy (some might say intentionally misleading) on animal testing and as many people pointed out that PETA are unreliable, Nic and I have decided to re-read every statement and decide for ourselves which brands we will continue to use.
We will add to this list as information changes.
We cannot be 100% sure about any of these companies and can only go on the statements that we have received and what we already know about the company.
Some Brands are not listed because we are waiting for responses.

Brands we will use
Collection 2000
e.l.f
Illamasqua
Chanel
M.A.C
Estee Lauder
The Body Shop
Clinique
Tom Ford
Dior
Dulash
Bobbi Brown
Autograph (Marks & Spencer)
Mark
Avon
Elizabeth Arden
Stargazer
Barry M
Smashbox
Beauté
Cargo
Eyeko
Laura Mercier
Revlon
Liz Earle
N.Y.C Color
OCC
Yaby
Bourjois
Sleek Make-up
Orly
Pixi
Pop
Too Faced
Xen-Tan
Nars
O.P.I
Urban Decay
Make Up For Ever

Products we are not currently using (until we get clarification or they make their policies clearer)
Benefit
Rimmel
Maybelline
Covergirl
Max Factor
Lancome
L'Oreal
Armani
Dolce & Gabbana

We have a few pre-recorded videos that may include some of these products. I will attach annotations to those videos.
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66 comments

  1. Thanks for this! I have to say I'm especially surprised (and disappointed) in Benefit and Lancome.

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  2. Oh my, I'm honestly shocked by Benefit and Lancome...

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  3. disappointed in Benefit, Lancome and Rimmel. I really hope you get further clarifications, because I really love their products and it would be such a shame.

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  4. I just want to make it clear that I do not know for definite that any of those brands test on animals. They just have very unclear statements. I.e they don't test their final products etc

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  5. You know anything about MUFE? Benefit is a disappointment.
    I asked Maybelline about that, and they belong to the L'Oreal group, they say that the group has a no animal testing policy, not what PETA is saying, but many companies buy that services from 3rd parties, or even buy ingredientes from companies that do animal testing. This is a big deal, if we don't do anything to change it, then they can just do whatever they want.

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  6. Thanks for this post. I'm trying to buy cruelty-free cosmetics only, but it gets so tricky. I love the Body Shop's products but since L'Oreal bought the brand, I don't feel quite right supporting the Body Shop with my purchases. It's like supporting L'Oreal, in a way. I don't know, it's so mixed up :(

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  7. It is a very hard one but we have to draw the line somewhere.
    I will still use The Body Shop.

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  8. No Mention of my beloved Shu Uemura and MUFE..The rest on the unconfrmed list are not in my kit..

    Thanks for the update Sam

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  9. The Body Shop do actually test on animals somewhere along the line. I know someone that looked into this recently. The final product isn't, which is why they make such a big song and dance about it, but some of the ingredients are.

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  10. Waiting on responses from those two, Andrew. I am pretty sure that I heard Shu Uemura don't and no one seems to know anything about MUFE.

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  11. hey pixiwoo i have a site in which there's a complete list of each brand which is cruelty free and which brand is not so have a look
    http://www.peta.org/living/beauty-and-personal-care/companies/default.aspx

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  12. Hi Sam & Nic, I am delighted that you have decided to go anti animal testing. I am cruelty free (which means no animal testing and no animal ingredients derived in a cruel way)

    For info: Shu Uemura is owned by L'Oreal, MUFE by Louis Vuitton Moet Hennessy.

    From your list above Sam & Nic, I know that the following are not cruelty free:
    Collection 2000
    Illamasqua
    Chanel
    M.A.C
    Estee Lauder
    Clinique
    Tom Ford
    Dior
    Mark
    Elizabeth Arden
    Stargazer
    Barry M
    Laura Mercier
    Revlon
    N.Y.C Color

    I hope that helps you.

    Jasmine
    xx

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  13. Stet, Barry M are cruelty free! and Benefit is owned by the same people as MUFE.

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  14. This is such a hard one. Lots of brands might have connections with others and therefore make things confusing.

    To illustrate this point The Body Shop and L'oreal. However I think The Body shop is cruelty free- and as a consumer I will always buy them over buying from L'oreal. Its all about company profits really- if The Body Shop's profits over took L'oreals then they would close the l'oreal brand and concentrate on The Body Shop. Consumers have the power.

    I think Animal testing is banned in the UK. Not sure about France, but I know that they were trying to get it banned there- HOWEVER a lot of the large name cosmetic brands opposed the Govrment ban. I'm sure other people are more up to date on this than me, but somthing worth looking into.

    Emma xx

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  15. It's amazing how many companies still use animal testing, I clicked on the peta link posted above and I really am shocked. So many of my favourite products! Realistically, in this day and age with the advancement in science, it is completely barbaric to be testing on animals. It's also kinda illogical that L'oreal test on animals, but The body Shop which they own don't. Surely L'oreal can use the testing systems used by the Body Shop seeing as they actually own the company....

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  16. Thanks Jasmine,
    Nic and I have contacted these companies directly and they have assured us otherwise.
    Of course we understand that people will agree on some and disagree on others which is why we felt it important to speak to each brand personally and without input from other sites.

    This is by no means a definitive list because I don't think we can ever be really sure.
    I certainly cannot claim myself to be cruelty free even though I am a vegetarian and try my hardest not to use animal tested products.
    Sometimes our profession requires us to work with products that we would never endorse to an audience. i.e backstage on a show sponsored by L'Oreal, Benefit etc.

    Obviously, now that we have an audience we are aware that we have an influence and try to promote what we believe to be the safest options.

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  17. That is such an intricate issue. I'm very happy to read my favorite brands are in the list of companies that don't test on animals! Not that I am embracing a totally cruelty free life (I do eat meat for example), but I like the idea of using cruelty free products when I can!

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  18. Hi Sam, yes there is a responsibility and practicality to consider but rest assured that one day that moral dilemma won't exist for you. I see it more as a black and white, I do not work with companies not on my cruelty free list. I work for a cruelty free make up company and use cruelty free products on my clients. I appreciate in your circles being that choosy could lose you clients and work! It would be nice for one of the higher end companies to do something trailblazing like going cruelty free, but alas may that would be a lot of work for neglible return on investment?

    Some more info for you, since 2009, no finished products in the EU are tested on animals. That doesn't stop a company taking one non essential ingredient out and testing it. Not until 2013, when a blanket ban on any ingredient and finished product testing comes in to force, can you be sure that no animal testing takes place. In the EU testing is still allowed where no suitable alternative exists. I have been unable to get any information from the EU commission on what ingredients these might be and so avoid products containing them.

    It's such a complex issue, you can't just go on what companies are telling you, they are only telling you their version of how they get around the loop holes that currently exist. The only way to be sure is to be cruelty free. There is no loophole in that definition.

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  19. Thanks Jasmine,

    I had been trying to find information on that ban and it is amazingly hard to find.

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  20. Thanks for this! Can you pleaaseeeee check about NEE make up and INGLOT. I've been searching everywhere but I cannot find anywhere if they're tested on animals or not :(

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  21. Thank you for this post! I'm also a vegetarian and just starting out as a makeup artist. I've found it very difficult to consciously buy products both made from animals (brushes- I use eco-tools brushes for now) and tested on animals. I already own many products from these companies and appreciate that I am aware now of their policies. I will probably use up these products though because I thin it is a waste not to. Keep us updated on your search, it is very appreciated!

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  22. what about Make up Store (swedish label)

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  23. I had the same concern about Shu Uemura as others, especially since they had a statement on their "art of hair" website that they don't test their products on animals, but didn't have it on their make-up website. I contacted them personally on their facebook profile and their reply was that they had never used products tested on animals and have always used synthetic skin. I know they are in the L'Oreal group, however, L'oreal owns the majority of the shares, not all of it which makes a difference. It's hard to obtain 100% certain information on it since the vast majority of their products are made in Japan and Korea. It's only very few products, like the Chisato highlighter and their nail varnishes that are made in Italy and France respectively.

    The same animal cruelty problem exists with make-up brushes. Traditionally animals whose hair is going to be used for brushes are shaved and kept in stress-free conditions since that affects the quality of the hair. However, brushes made in China are made with fur of animals that have been slaughtered and (most of the times)skinned whilst they were still alive.

    I'd like to point out that I am not in any way affiliated with any companies/organizations nor am I a make-up artist. I did my own research on these topics because I can't stand cruelty in any way, shape or form whether it's directed towards animals or humans.

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  24. Thanks Patty.
    I really hope that you are right about Shu Uemura

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  25. I couldn't find the comment I had left on their page but found another answer they had given which says more or less the same as what they had replied to me.

    "Shu Uemura test on a pseudo skin in the lab and at finished product stage before launch they test each on 50-60 volunteers. To accuse them of animal testing these forum posters must be willing to accuse almost every other cosmetic brand on the market as 'ingredient testing' is often not in control of the cosmetic company. shu uemura has been an eco friendly company since the 60's using recyclable materials long before it was chic to do so in the West. They are a credible company who care about their customers above all else."

    http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/photo.php?pid=349700&id=10644399931&ref=fbx_album

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  26. This is all so confusing and several websites contradict each other. An easier way for me is to just check out the packaging/box. So many brands choose to imprint the bunny (for no animal testing), and it works for me. Some brands are owned by larger companies. So even though your fave brand may NOT test on animals, they are owned by a company who tests.

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  27. Cover Girl and Max Factor are owned by Procter and Gamble. It doesn't look good. I'm ok with not buying from them cuz the only thing they have worth buying seems to be mascara.

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  28. I just bought Hoola because you girls use it so much...is that bad?

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  29. I have Hoola (amongst many Benefit products)too and I've asked Benefit about animal testing before. They said something along the lines of "we do not endorse it and we do not ask our manufacturer to test on animals". Sadly it seems to boil down to if the manufacturers test. It sucks because brands have the choice of who their manufacturer is and it's absurd they don't clarify these things before signing any sort of contract.

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  30. I am VERY interested on hearing about MUFE though!

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  31. Pixiwoo--
    I just went to the Benefit site, and they say the following:

    Q: Does Benefit Cosmetics test on animals?

    A: NO... Benefit does not test our finished products on animals. We love our furry friends and would never want to hurt them.

    Q: Does Benefit use ingredients tested on animals?

    A: It is impossible to use only ingredients which have never been tested on animals at some point in the past. In conformity with European rules, tests on ingredients are not done on animals when other methods exist to ensure the safety of those ingredients.

    taken from: Benfit FAQ

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  32. *Please note I spelled Benefit wrong in the link. I'm brain dead from school, sorry!

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  33. I love the fact you guys support this. You guys have inspired me to stop using animal tested products, I threw away my Maybelline, L'Oreal, and Covergirl make up because it discusses me that they do these on animals. I can't imagine my adorable cat go through torture.
    Thanks guys. [=.

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  34. Thank you for the update.

    I was just wondering... what about natural hair brushes? "Cruelty Free" ambiguous word...

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  35. What about Makeup Forever are they cruelty free?

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  36. I have just heard from the Guru make-up emporium that MUFE is not tested on animals. I have also emailed them and am waiting for direct confirmation of that but at present I have put them on the list.

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  37. I like animals I really do, but I don't understand what 'testing on animals' really means, stands for. How/what they doing on them? The other thing is that some of us can't afford expensive make-up like Channel, Illamasqua, M.A.C, Estee Lauder , Clinique, Dior and others, so we use something cheaper. The fact that I might using make-up which is tested on animals doesn't mean that I approve that just it means that some of us doesn't have a choice. OK, I know you will say that there are affordable make-up that are not tested on animals. I agree. But I'm just saying.
    Another thing is that we can't be completely sure that even those make-up brands who say they don't test on animals and there are not on PETA's black list that they really don't test.

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  38. But many of your favorites are on the hit-list! what about hoola and armani silk and rimmel sexy curves? dont you mind giving them up or will you carry on using them as a make up artist in cognito?! and also, when an ingredient has been tested on "in the past" does that necassarily mean that the company itself has tested it or it they use it as it has been deemed safe by a third party of testers? i think youre dipping your toe into a VERY deep pool!

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  39. I couldn't care less about a certain mascara or foundation. There are a thousand other options.
    We will use up what we have and not purchase from those brands until their policies change.

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  40. the only way to ensure that you are completely cruelty-free is to not use any makeup at all.

    and btw - going by what PETA says......well....

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  41. For all those not sure about animal testing or what the fuss is about here are a few examples - the Draize Test, to test for irritation, is where the shampoo/cosmetic is put into a rabbits eyes which have been fixed open, unsurprisingly this can lead to swelling, blistering and blindness, the agony can be so intense that the rabbit will break its back trying to get away from it. There is also the LD-50 test (full name is Lethal dose - 50%) in which cosmetics are force fed to animals until 50% of the test subjects die usually from organ blockage, toxic reaction and convulsions, I think to test toxicity. As if that wasn't enough suffering for our vanity there is the inhalation test where animals are sprayed constantly for a 2 and a 1/2 hour period then killed and their tissues examined.
    Not all cheap brands test on animals, there are some - well at least one - very good website that has a list of companies who must adhere to certain criteria before being included, these are the companies with the leaping bunny logo. It is worth thinking about what your hard-earned money is actually funding, aside from over-sized salaries, each time you purchase a product, animal cruelty is a vast subject that spreads much further than what we wear on our faces but at least that is a place to start.
    As the consumer we are the ones with the power.

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  42. Sorry, I had meant to say in my previous post that I'm not affiliated with any company, brand, organisation of animal rights movement I am just a concerned consumer.
    Thank you ladies for bringing this subject back in to people's conscious again.

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  43. FACE Atelier does not test and makes a very clear statement on their website, but I don't think you guys use their products

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  44. Dolce and Gabbana is manufactured by Proctor and Gamble. Per their corporate website, they have not tested cosmetics on animals in over 10 years although they admit to testing ingredients where mandated by law.

    Their website, while certainly spun as PR, does document their investment in alternatives and the general company policy.

    http://www.pgbeautygroomingscience.com/animal-testing-alternatives.html

    Thanks for a great site!!

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  45. Nic & Sam, so glad that you do support beauty without cruelty to animals. I know for a fact that Covergirl and Max Factor are owned by Procter & Gamble and most definitely conducts animal testing (it's a pharma company and I work in the pharma industry, another example is Aveeno skin care, which is owned by Johnson & Johnson and conducts animal testing too) Maybelline, Lancome, Shu Uemura and Giorgio Armani are all owned by L'Oréal, which also does animal testing. The animal testing policies of Benefit, Rimmel, D&G are unclear.
    You can check the animal testing policies of each brand, as well as the safety/toxicity level of any product on the cosmetics safety database http://www.cosmeticsdatabase.com/ sponsired by the Environmental Working Group, the same group that rates sunscreen safety levels.

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  46. its just irretating really, when i started buying makeup again i hadn't realized that companies still did animal testing, thought they got rid of that cruel act ages ago when there was a big uproar about it in the late 80's early 90's...so needless to say i spent a small fortune on armani foundation, rimmel and a few others like benefit just to find out they test on animals...I was suprised really since most of these products are made in europe and I was under the impression there was suppose to be a ban on animal testing there...well since i spent so much on them i will use them up but won't buy from again til they change their practices.

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  47. just heard from Guerlain and they also do no test on animals... :)

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  48. If you are interested, I have contact with MaxFactor and they said me that MaxFactor don't test products on animals.. If you read in the web, people say the opposite, but they assure me and others Italian bloggers about it.

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  49. How bout Mad Minerals? I cant find anything about if they have tested ingredients or not.
    It says "We do NOT test on animals or endorse such practices"
    They seem pretty harsh about it, but then so does every other company.. So.. what about the ingredient?

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  50. Nic and Sam, thank you so much for bringing up this topic! I knew it was complicated, but after reading all of these comments I realise it's even more complicated than I thought... It's definetely worth some good research! If I find anything interesting I'll let you know XXX Daniëlle Uleman

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  51. I never really thought about animal testing before until recently and now I can't get it out of my head. All of the lists contradict each other and now I'm starting to feel guilty when I wear my makeup. I'm guessing the right thing to do is use up what I have from companies that do test and actively seek out companies w/ the leaping bunny logo (sorry mac, but your aren't on it). I think my main challenge will be finding a company with a foundation shade that matches my skin coloring, everything else should be replaceable.

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  52. Because PETA puts these companies into categories of whether they Test Products on animals or not!! PETA does not define whether the company actually tests cosmetics on Animals. So L'Oreal, Procter & Gamble, Johnson & Johnson, Reckitt Benckiser and Unilever will always be on the PETA list because they have pharamaceutical companies, or drugs which are required to be tested on Animals. They are large mulitnational companies, with many different products besides just cosmetics. The only cosmetic company I saw which I do not know has "pharmaceutical" connections is Shisedo. These also have alot of skin whitening products (like L'Oreal, Unilever etc)...which I think could be tested on animals. So in answer to your question...I think L'Oreal is telling the truth when it says its cosmetics are not tested...but has investment in drugs which are. Think about it? How many times have you taken the pill, vaccine, lemsip? These products ARE tested on animals. So its an grey subject anyway.

    However fair play for taking this into consideration. Every little helps and by consumers and guru's putting preasure on companies...we can make a change

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  53. Thank you so much for this. I will further check all of the brands, but Avon, for example, says they will do animal testing when required by law.

    To me it means they care more about profiting with new formulas and new ingredients then with animals itself, because that is the only reason I can see that would require testing by the law.

    What do you think of this?

    Thank you for caring once again, and for putting it out there. I would also request you to make a video on it once you are more sure about the brands so you will inform your viewers, and one by one, we can stop animal testing (we have to try). I try to warn people but I dont have such influence as you.

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  54. Thank you for putting this out there on a well read blog. The sad reality is that many of these companies statements are smokescreens / pacification methods to get people to keep buying / stop asking.

    If you read carefully the majority of them will state something along the lines of "we do not test our finished products on animals" most of the ingredients have been tested on animals somewhere along the lines.

    Procter and Gamble have stated they won't test any old ingredients on animals (probably because it's already been done enough times in the past) however, their new ingredients will continue to be tested so basically that next new miracle product will be tested on animals, it doesn't really stop.

    If you're looking for more information on animal testing you should read the following sites;

    http://www.iamscruelty.com/
    http://www.uncaged.co.uk/
    http://www.iamskills.com/
    http://www.pandgkills.com/

    And if you're against animal testing then show your support by lobbying your local MP to sign these 3 EDMs;

    http://www.vote4animals.org.uk/index.htm

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  55. Hey guys. This is such a tricky subject. Do you know if any of the Boots brands of make-up (No 7, 17 and Natural Collection) test on animals?

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  56. Boots don't test on animals, I can't vouch for their ingredients though.
    Here is the petition for the ban in 2013, it's legit as it's straight from the BUAV website. I tend to follow their guidelines as to what companies do and don't test on animals and they do a 'little book of cruelty free' which is very useful when out shopping! Thanks for this post it's a real help.
    Please sign the petition for the poor animals!! xxx

    http://nocruelcosmetics.org/sign_up.php

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  57. You can add on the Cruelty FREE list : Beauties Factory (an equivalent of coastal scent for palettes and mono compacts)

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  58. I just saw a video that explains that Esteé Lauder (MAC, Clinique, Bobbi Brown, etc) have third parties testing on animal on their behalf, so, what did they said to you, because it seems that this research is very serious, so are you sure this companies are 100% cruelty free?

    In the other hand, thanks so much for doing this, i think that is very important that people like you, with this incredible chance (share what you think with millions of people), are concerned about this important topic.

    Love you videos, and once again, thanks for doing this.

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    1. Oh right, I forgot to thank them for doing this! THANK YOU Nick and Sam! What people do in the interest of animals they do in my interest! (I would hate to have to abandon further makeup purchases!)

      But I really think the Pixiwoo-sisters have the Power to MOVE something in the industry!!! Maybe you can get other beauty-gurus to join in the trend and confront the industry! I bet most of the beauty girls are animal-friendly and would prefere it if all the giant makeup brands did stop their animal testing (even over 3rd party-testing)

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  59. Maybelline
    Covergirl
    Lancome
    L'Oreal
    I'm sure all test on animals, I've read the statements of them and I'm fairly certain.

    @Stef I know that MAC is classed as a Vegan brand, at least to PETA and according to PETA Estee Lauder is tested on animals, but as they said, PETA is not all the reliable.

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  60. I think any company that doesnt sell sythetic only haired brushes are questionable, and I may be wrong.......but didnt MAC admit that they test their products on animals as required by LAW when selling to the chinese market? I hope I misheard as thats a pretty shitty thing!

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    1. Jeanie,

      You are correct. All Estee Lauder products (EL, Clinique, Origins, MAC, Bumble & Bumble, Amer. Beauty, Aramis, Aveda, Bobbi Brown, Coach, Darphin, Donna Karan, E. Zegna, Flirt, Good Skin Labs, Grassroots, Jo Malone, Kiton, La Mer, Lab Series, Michael Kors, Missoni, Ojon, Prescriptives, Sean Jean, Smashbox, Tom Ford, and Tommy Hilfiger) are now being tested due to EL's desire to saturate the Chinese market. This is being done by third parties. The Chinese gov't requires all cosmetics to be tested on animals before they can be sold in stores (which I find interesting since they send toys with toxic chemicals to the US). Avon and Mary Kay have begun doing the same. This is very unfortunate on many levels. These have been trusted products that have promoted cruelty-free cosmetics for years. It shows that these companies are about profit, not protection. One surefire way to find out if a company is a pro-testing company is to find out if they are selling their products in China.

      There are no US laws in place that require companies to be completely honest about their testing methods. Consumers who are anti-testing need to do research before purchasing products, which is rather sad (I do it before purchasing anything for my face, body, and house). Unless you see the PETA Bunny logo, you can't be 100% sure (and I don't buy that 100% of the time to be honest).

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  61. What do you guys have to say about Aveda costmetics? I know where I buy them here in Canada, their packaging proudly states their products are human tested and mostly don't contain any animal by-products (I know their statement on being completely vegan is iffy seeing they use honey in some of their body products)

    Also, could we hope to see a makeup tutorial using Aveda makeup? Their new collection is beautiful!

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